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Old 01-11-2009, 02:02 PM
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Dishwasher Technique

Well guys I want t de-oil my bowling balls and my wife has given me the ok to use the dishwasher. I have been through the different posts and see bits and pieces of the dishwasher method. Could someone explain the exact "how to" with this method? It would greatly be appreciated.
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Turn off the heated dry
Place the ball on the bottom rack with the holes facing down
DO NOT put any soap into the dishwasher
Run the dishwasher
Let the ball dry for a day with the holes facing down
Take the wife out to dinner (mine won't let me do this)
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:17 PM
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If you use the bucket method, there's no reason to take the wife out or ask for permission.
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How many cycles do you need to run it through? Can you do more than one ball at a time? Do you need to put anything on the ball once you are finished?
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But if you act grateful, then she will think the sex that night is her reward
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How many cycles do you need to run it through? Can you do more than one ball at a time? Do you need to put anything on the ball once you are finished?
One normal wash cycle. One ball at a time or you will bend the dishwasher rack
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:44 PM
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... One ball at a time or you will bend the dishwasher rack
No amount of dinners would help that situation.
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Alright guys, I just put the H20 in. Normal wash, no heat dry. I'll keep you posted.
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But if you act grateful, then she will think the sex that night is her reward
Wow....your wife actually looks at sex as a reward from you!!!! :notworth:

Hang on to her! Usually most women only GIVE it to men for an award!!!

I need to learn your tricks! LOL!
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One normal wash cycle. One ball at a time or you will bend the dishwasher rack
Actually I've done two at one time, never had a problem.

Whizey, I answered you pm. Good luck.
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Thanks everyone for all ur help. Everything seems to have turned out fine. I'm going to try and get some polished laid on before league tonight.
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Turn off the heated dry
Place the ball on the bottom rack with the holes facing down
DO NOT put any soap into the dishwasher
Run the dishwasher
Let the ball dry for a day with the holes facing down
Take the wife out to dinner (mine won't let me do this)
No soap? Uh oh...what's the impact if I happened to have used soap (purely theoretical)?
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No soap? Uh oh...what's the impact if I happened to have used soap (purely theoretical)?
Ball pores MIGHT get clogged. NOT a major factor, just run it thru once more without soap.
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Ball pores MIGHT get clogged. NOT a major factor, just run it thru once more without soap.
I would've thought the rinse cycle would take care of that...

So my ball is now gonna get acne?
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So my ball is now gonna get acne?
Yeah, you've changed it to a particle ball now.
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Dishwasher soap has a lot of bleach in it. Won't change reaction, but may change color. Soap is just not needed.
holy crap, now i know what happened to the used The One i got! Its got spots on it like raindrops where it has changed colors lol.:sign5:
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ok I am new here and have a few questions, I want to clean my ball before tomorrow's league

1. if I use the bucket method OR the dish washing method, will I be ok for tomorrow night? League starts at 6:30 and I will probably be cleaning it about the same time

2. my Dishwasher has Jet-Dry already in it, will that affect the ball at all if I use the dish-washing method?

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I don't think you'd have any problems if you gave it 24 hours to dry, but in the future it'd probably be wise to give it another day just in case. As far as the jet dry, if I'm not mistaken it works more like a water purifier to help get rid of the minerals in water, that's why it dries faster without spots; similar to an automatic car wash. So, I don't believe it would have any effect on the ball.
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:32 PM
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Thanks guys, now I have to make sure I take better care of my ball in the future. The cheapest clearner is rubbing alcohol right? or am I wrong?

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Old 11-02-2009, 03:38 PM
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thanks, I will see what my local pro-shop has, maybe they carry those, who knows. I am just getting back into bowling after a 15 year hiatus so I have forgotten everything, including how to bowl a 200

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Re: Dishwasher Technique

I know plenty of guys that have used original windex for years without issues. They generally use it immediately after they finish the set to get any setting oil off the ball before they put them away. Seems like that's the best way to keep them fairly clean because you prevent oil from just setting on the ball while it's stored in your bag. Then maybe do a deep cleaning in a rejuvenator (if your shop has one) or dishwasher sparingly if you start losing reaction.
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windex huh? never thought about that one

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Yeah, I'd probably look for a USBC approved cleaner in your pro shop first, but I think just about any glass cleaner will work for a quick fix.
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well thank you tywithay, now I have the bowling ball cleaning part down, next step is get rid of my stutter step and also hit the pocket consistantly

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From my personal experience cleaning and oil extraction is only 50% of the equation. The other 50% is returning the coverstock back to what is was when you started. For those interested, you still have until November 9th to get in the BBE group buy on our new personal spinner. It is the best spinner at the best price with the best warranty and comes with a dvd and manual to help you reach your maximum strike potential.

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Yeah, I'd probably look for a USBC approved cleaner in your pro shop first, but I think just about any glass cleaner will work for a quick fix.
Technically, Windex is a USBC approved cleaner. It's approved for bowling ball cleaning just like Simple Green or alcohol. They used to have a complete list of cleaners, but they've streamlined it looks like. Now the manual just says a cleaner cannot effect the hardness of the ball (acetone).

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ok so what would the max temp that is safe in the dishwasher.

my dish washer has Sani-rinse which is about 160%(although I don't understand how it could get that high)

High temp - no idea how hot it gets

and regular wash

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Turn off the heated options. No heated dry and No sani rinse. Try to keep it under 145....and don't let your wife catch you in the act
I've seen some say to keep the temp under 140.

Be careful with the dishwasher racks. A ball is a lot of weight for them and racks are expensive to replace if the coating rubs off or the tines are bent. As queen of my kitchen, I don't allow bowling balls in the dishwasher, or ball spinners on the counter!

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20 min. hot water bath in the basement sink gets the job done for me with no issues. Just repeat till oil extaction is complete. I agree with cmoore3wins that returning the ball back to grit levels originally being used is a step frequentlly left out to get the complete reaction back.

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Technically, Windex is a USBC approved cleaner. It's approved for bowling ball cleaning just like Simple Green or alcohol. They used to have a complete list of cleaners, but they've streamlined it looks like. Now the manual just says a cleaner cannot effect the hardness of the ball (acetone).
How does acetone effect the hardness?

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well I checked the manufacture website and they don't recommend using windex, although I am sure most manufacturers say the same thing.

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How does acetone effect the hardness?
Acetone is a heavy duty solvent. Although most people know it as being used only for nail polish remover, it is used industrially as a degreaser, and more importantly as a thinner for fiberglass and resins. It is used to clean equipment that is exposed to fiberglass and resins. It will literally eat through a bowling!

Acetone is a smallish organic compound and will eat through ball literally. Instead of just taking it way mirco surface by mirco surface, it will get into the chemical bonds of the resin and dissolve it inside of the chemical structure.

Basically it makes the ball softer and more porous. Ask any old pro about soaking balls in acetone to make them softer. People used to check in balls the day before competition, checking for hardness, and then soak them in acetone over night to make them more sponge like.

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Acetone is a heavy duty solvent. Although most people know it as being used only for nail polish remover, it is used industrially as a degreaser, and more importantly as a thinner for fiberglass and resins. It is used to clean equipment that is exposed to fiberglass and resins. It will literally eat through a bowling!

Acetone is a smallish organic compound and will eat through ball literally. Instead of just taking it way mirco surface by mirco surface, it will get into the chemical bonds of the resin and dissolve it inside of the chemical structure.

Basically it makes the ball softer and more porous. Ask any old pro about soaking balls in acetone to make them softer. People used to check in balls the day before competition, checking for hardness, and then soak them in acetone over night to make them more sponge like.
Fascinating! So does it eventually eat away the coverstock, causing permanent damage to the ball?

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Bottm line is it is illegal to use at ANY time per USBC rules
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Re: Dishwasher Technique

I don't know how much that rule affects todays game or how acetone reacts with the newer harder resins used. It was more useful back in the day of hard rubber bowling balls because it would soften them up meaning more friction and better reaction. It also caused the softer ball to absorb a lot of energy as it hit the pins, then reverberating that energy throughout the deck for better carry.

I imagine with todays balls they'd more so just start falling apart than get softer.
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I bought a Hammer Taboo a few weeks ago, after about 10+ games it really dies on the back end.... My local pro shop told me about the dishwasher method...

I put my ball on the bottom rack were the silverware basket goes with the holes down. I run it with NO SOAP and i keep the heated dry ON....

I have done this about 4 times now and it works great for me.... This is how i have been doing it and I love the results...

I'm sure that everyone will have their own way or opinion on what works best....

Last week I washed 3 balls at one time and everything turned out fine.

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Re: Dishwasher Technique

As an experiment, I have been using nothing but 91% Isopropyl Alcohol to clean my Hammer Swagga since I drilled it about 30 games ago. I clean it religiously after each 3 game set before I put it in the bag. Many people say that Isopropyl alcohol will only remove the dirt and belt marks, and not get the oil out of the cover. One advantage to working in a pro shop is that I have access to a revivor oven, and I wanted to see just how effective Isopropyl alcohol was at keeping lane oil out of the cover when compared to commercial name brand bowling ball cleaners. Since Hammer covers soak up oil very quickly, I knew this would be the perfect ball to try this on.

Well, after 30 games, I stuck it in the revivor for 30 minutes, and guess what....nothing came out of the cover at all! So, I kept it in for the whole hour, and still no oil came out of the cover. Needless to say, I was very impressed and quite happy with the results. Also, the Hammer Swagga has lost zero reaction on the lanes over the coarse of its first 30 games, the ball is a beast. So, I am going to stay with the 91% Isopropyl alcohol method until further notice, making sure to thoroughly clean my equipment BEFORE I leave the lanes, right after I am done bowling every set. I hope this info helps!

Here is the link showing that Isopropyl alcohol is approved by the USBC to be used at ANYTIME during competition, so feel free to use it at your discretion!

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn....isher-list.pdf

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90% alcohol does OK. You might want to try a bottle of Ol' Roy's or PJ's Tacky Snap...look for their banners on the right side of the home page.
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Does it work as well with the heated dry OFF, or have you not tried that yet?
I have done it with the heated dry off the first two times... I found that when it is in there under heat drying, oil is still being pulled out of the ball...

I came to this conclusion by wiping the ball off with a clean white towel after pulling it out of the dishwasher.... The ball that dries with the heat ON was leaving oil on the towel when i would pull it out and wipe it off. When i run it with the heated dry OFF, the towel is a lot cleaner when wiping the ball off. Thus, IMO, the heated dry ON is helping to pull more of the oil out of the ball.

But, we are talking just a small amount of difference between the two... Overall, the dishwasher method is awesome.... I do it after every 10 games, and I use 'Clean and Dull', every 3-4 games between washes... When I hit 100 games I will take it to the pro-shop and have the oil extracted in an oven.

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I bought a Hammer Taboo a few weeks ago, after about 10+ games it really dies on the back end.... My local pro shop told me about the dishwasher method...

I put my ball on the bottom rack were the silverware basket goes with the holes down. I run it with NO SOAP and i keep the heated dry ON....

I have done this about 4 times now and it works great for me.... This is how i have been doing it and I love the results...

I'm sure that everyone will have their own way or opinion on what works best....

Last week I washed 3 balls at one time and everything turned out fine.

-Troy
Are you making sure you clean the ball with a USBC approved cleaner before you put it back in the bag after you're done bowling?,

I've had my taboo for about 2 months and it still reacts just like it did right out of the box, The only thing i do to it is clean it with 70% Alcohol after im done using it every set and it rolls just fine, Threw my first 300 with it on Wednesday night and it hit like a truck.

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Technically, Windex is a USBC approved cleaner. It's approved for bowling ball cleaning just like Simple Green or alcohol. They used to have a complete list of cleaners, but they've streamlined it looks like. Now the manual just says a cleaner cannot effect the hardness of the ball (acetone).
The USBC website bowl.com is a pain to navigate but at the bottom of home page is a list of departments. Equipment specifications include approved cleaners and polishes and WHEN they can be used. Here's the link;

http://bowl.com/equipandspecs/approv...ndpolishes.jsp

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Re: Dishwasher Technique

so far the bucket and oil-dri works really great for me

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Re: Dishwasher Technique

Windex and other window cleaners do not dilute or dissolve the oil at all. 70% Isopropyl alcohol does not work either. I have tested lane oil and these cleaners in test tubes.

90% (or greater) Isopropyl alcohol definitely dissolves the oil. I can tell you from direct experimental evidence that using Simple Green followed by 90% IPA does a great job of cleaning and removing surface oil. Don't mix them. The water in the Simple Green dilutes the alcohol and negates the oil dissolving power. Used separately the different cleaning methods of SG and IPA do the job.

I would love to test all of the available ball cleaners out there but I am cheap! The SG and IPA work great and are easy to find in stores.

The deep cleaning of either a hot water bath in a bucket or a dishwasher requires further investigation. There is enough experiential evidence to suggest that they both work.



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