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Old 01-22-2010, 02:24 PM
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Last night, after much, much reading and many weeks of average results (I'm currently shooting 510 - 540 on the Great wall of China!), I decided bring my two older pieces home and soak them in hot water to get some oil out.

I brought my Columbia 300 Arch Rival and Brunswick Twisted Fury home because they are the balls I use the most and they both have 200+ games on them. The Arch Rival has been been surfaced a couple times, but the Twisted Fury is as it was when it came out of the box, just very beaten up.

I filled a 5 gallon bucket with hot water from the tap with a few drops of Dawn dish washing liquid. Then I dropped the Arch Rival in.

I have to say, the oil just poured out of the Arch Rival. After I set it all up, I decided to read a little more just to make sure of procedure. After reading that you need check back after 15 minutes, I went back and lifted the ball out of the bucket and it was absolutely covered in oil! I wiped it all off, then put in the bucket again. 10 minutes later, same thing.

As the water cooled down, not so much oil was coming out, so I emptied the bucket and refilled it. Once again, the oil was pouring out of the shell. I ended up refilling the bucket 4 times for the Arch Rival alone.

I repeated the process for the Twisted Fury, but that ball only needed to be refilled once before the oil stopped coming out. I read that you should give the ball a light sanding at around 360 grit, but I didn't have any abralon pads around, so I had to skip that step. I suspect the process would likely be much faster had I done that.

All in all, I would say the extraction was a great success. Now to see if ball motion improves. I'll keep you all posted.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:39 PM
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Re: Hot water bath

hey Kelly,

i know it's not 360 grit but you can use a green scotch pad then drop the balls in water next time
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:42 PM
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Yeah that would work. The hot water bath works pretty well. It is pretty impressive to watch some balls purge the oil from the cover. You will be surprised how much life you can get back. I have an absolute inferno I do this to quite frequently. Probably about every 20-30 games. That balls performs almost like new and I have been throwing it for 7-8 years now. God knows how many games are on it at this point!
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I have been usign my dishwasher for oil extraction. I'll have to give the bucket a try and compare the results.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:52 PM
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I havent tried the dishwasher yet. I think that I will try that next time. I know that you are supposed to turn off the dry cycle when you use the dishwasher though.
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Yes, the heated dry is what I read
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OK. I am not sure on that exactly. I know they get damn hot! So that would need to be shut off.
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OK. I am not sure on that exactly. I know they get damn hot! So that would need to be shut off.
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Re: Hot water bath

Make sure you take these balls back to the grit levels being used after your oil extraction for optimum performance. Depending on the conditions of the lanes, wear and tear on these coverstocks can degrade them to as low as 600 grit after a period of use. A step I see left out alot when folks are trying to bring a ball back to peak performance.

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Make sure you take these balls back to the grit levels being used after your oil extraction for optimum performance. Depending on the conditions of the lanes, wear and tear on these coverstocks can degrade them to as low as 600 grit after a period of use. A step I see left out alot when folks are trying to bring a ball back to peak performance.
Good point. I assumed that people would know this but you are probably correct.
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Yeah, I really wish I had sanded the first, but oh well. I'm gonna order some abralon pads and resurface both balls. My wife's gear is the next on the washing board.
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Re: Hot water bath

Do you have a spinner to work with Kelly? When you soak the ball, does the oil float to the top of the water? If so, i think I would skimm the top of the water with a rolled up paper towell, to remove s much oil as possible. Seems that when you remove the ball through that floating oil that the ball would pick it up on the way out. Then, when you wipe the ball, some of the oil would be rubbed back into the cover stock. When I extract oil from a ball, I spray it first with ball cleaner, then wipe it. The cleaner will remove most of it, so that it don't get rubbed back in. Just my thoughts.
I used the ball oven I built, untill I traded it for a spinner. I need to build another. But, untill I do, I just may try the hot water bath.
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used the hot water and dawn dish washing soap method for a couple of years after reading it on Mos' website,scothbriteing them first to open the coverstock up first does give the best results.I am putting the final touches on my oven built off two designs I read about here.will start a post when it's finished to give the details.Roy skimming the water does work best you are correct.
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Yeah it does float to the top, but I assumed the Dawn would help break it down some. I've seen a good recipe for a good ball cleaner to use at home that you can make at home. For REALLY cheap. I would love to try some of Ole Roy's stuff, but that will have to wait another day.
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Just got done running 2 balls through the bath. My buddy had sold me a G-force that he never had baked and it was SOAKED in oil. It went through 7 buckets before the oil slowed. Roy is right about removing the oil floating at the top. I scoop it out periodically while the ball is soaking. Then right before I take it out I use the paper towel. After it's out I use rubbing alcohol for the surface and then Roy's on it. Like new!!!! Oh and the key as mentioned above is Scotch Brite before putting it in. It's like exfoliating your skin and it opens up the pores.
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Re: Hot water bath

I've experimented a lot with getting oil out of my balls and just cleaning them up in general. What works for me now is to put the ball in a bucket with hot tap water and use a little dish washing soap. One soak usually does the trick. Try it on a ball you don't care too much about first if you think dish washing soap might hurt the ball. I just use a little Palmolive. Once I've let the ball soak in that for about 5-10 minutes, I dry the ball off and admire how "squeaky" clean it is by rubbing my fingers on it.

I also used to use a hair drier to get the oil to come to the surface of the ball, then wipe the oil away with some ball cleaner, but this was too tedious.

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Yeah, I really wish I had sanded the first, but oh well. I'm gonna order some abralon pads and resurface both balls. My wife's gear is the next on the washing board.
Ive done my gear both ways. Taking it down to 360 before the hot bath and just leaving it be and putting it in as is. I havent noticed any real difference in the amount of oil I get out. Of course that is subjective I suppose since Im not measuring it either.

There is some of the oil that is extracted into the water and of course rises to the top but most of it seems to sit at the surface of the ball. So I pull mine out and immediately wipe it down with a rag that has rubbing alcohol on it. If you dont do this it will soak back into the coverstock fairly quickly.

I also set a timer for mine and let them soak for 30 minute intervals and I just keep repeating the process until I pull the ball out and there is virtually no oil on it.

What I also noticed, when measuring the water temp, that my water is around 115 - 120*. Which is good and will get some oil out but I like to be closer to 130 - 135*. So I warm up about a gallon of water on the stove bringing it to the point just before it boils. I pour that into the bucket with around a gallon of hot tap water and dawn soap and then pour in around another gallon of hot tap water. I measure the temp and its nearly always around 130*. Sometimes it pushes 140*. But I experimented a lot with the temps and all the information I found said no more than 140* so I never put in a ball over that but try to keep it around 130 - 135*

I dump the bucket after every 30 minute soak anyway so any oil that does come to the surface is fairly irrelevant since I wipe it off immediately and start the next bath with fresh water and soap anyway.

I think the important thing is that you keep repeating the process until you have no oil on the ball. Sometimes that can take a while depending on the number of games and the coverstock. My Twisted Fury Solid I can bowl a lot of games on before I notice it dying out a bit. My BuzzBomb seemed like every other week it needed to be de-oiled. I could sit there after throwing the BuzzBomb and litterally watch it soak up the oil.

After its all de-oiled I'll resurface the ball. Ive put it back through the bath after resurfacing and it never seems to make any difference so if I forget to take it down to 360 before hand I dont sweat it too much.
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I'm definitely gonna try to remember to use cleaner when I wipe the ball off. I didn't think about that. I was too excited to see oil coming out of the ball and almost drooling over what it might do when I get it back on the lane! Hopefully, that will happen tonight. The motivation behind this whole exercise was that I was getting sick of seeing my TF hook one shot, then skate the next.

When I got my Twisted Fury, I could barely hook the ball. I would shoot up 5, with my feet on 10 and watch it gently roll up to the pocket. I hook that ball a lot more now, shooting 10 and 5 with my feet on 20, so I'm excited to see if there is any improvement in performance.
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When I got my Twisted Fury, I could barely hook the ball. I would shoot up 5, with my feet on 10 and watch it gently roll up to the pocket. I hook that ball a lot more now, shooting 10 and 5 with my feet on 20, so I'm excited to see if there is any improvement in performance.
I was much the same. When I got my Twisted Fury Solid, I couldnt seem to get it to move any. I was probably out on 15 shooting over 10 maybe, been a while.

Well now, lots O work on my release and I stand on 25 at a minimum and shot usually between 10 and 15. If I resurface and de-oil it I push out to the 30 and over 15.

We had an issue a few weeks ago where the lanes were a touch dryer for whatever reason and to keep it on the right side of the pocket I was on about 33 shooting out over 15 and 20. So the release work and couple that with a de-oiled ball ended up equaling the grab on the lane about where I was with a screwy release and the grip of my Agent Orange.
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Amazing that balls actually soak up oil. What about the holes, do you put something in the holes before putting the ball in the hot water? I will have to try this.

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I dont. I keep the finger inserts in and everything. After I pull the ball out, the residual heat from being soaked dries out what I cant get to in the holes and so forth pretty well.
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Your pieces of tape (if any) will be FUBAR most likely. I usually take all my pieces of tape out before plunkin 'er in the bucket.
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I dont use any tape on the ball. I got to the point I got tired of messing with it in the ball and decided it was easier to do on the finger/thumb directly. But you are correct, any tape in the thumb holes will probably be done for afterwards.
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Yeah, I can't do that. My hands tend to get pretty moist while I bowl. The constant wiping of my hands on my towel and the sweat makes the tape useless after a game or so. It seems like you would go through a lot more tape that way, too. I change my tape maybe once every 6 weeks or so.
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Your pieces of tape (if any) will be FUBAR most likely. I usually take all my pieces of tape out before plunkin 'er in the bucket.
+1 I agree with this. I learned the hard way after the first time and had nothing but tape residue all over the inside of the thumb hole and on my thumb.
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I have given one of my balls three hot water baths now, and the tape I have in it is just fine. Just let it dry, and the tape will be perfect (and clean).
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Re: Hot water bath

I have not seen it mentioned here, but I recommend that the ball dries out for at least a day before using it (or leaving it outside in the cold). I have used this method for 20 years. I built a rejuvenator 3 years ago but still soak the ball occassionaly. I have never had any problems by not covering the holes.

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Just a word to the wise, I have been told when soaking your equipment in hot water, put the ball in a garbage bag twist tied shut, then remove the ball from the bag whipe off oil change bag and repeat, They have not done enough testing yet to provide concreate info but they worry that water can actually penetrate the ball through the finger holes and if this happens it can effect the weight of the ball..

Just what I have been told, but other than that soaking the ball is the best alternative if you dont have an oven, I have seen extensive studies on cleaners and all that stuff and the end result is baking and soaking totally rejuvinates bowling balls.
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I would think that the water would evaporate over the 24 hour drying period. Hmmm... well, it worked a treat for me, so I've no qualms about doing it again.
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I agree about it drying out. Just like a sponge or anything else that water permeates. When I dry mine normally put it next to one of the forced air vents on the floor with thumb and fingers down facing the vent to it gets air circulating.
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First off sorry for posting in a old thread. I just learned of this method and I want to do this to my balls. I have a question. I have access to a power soak wash tub here at my job. Do you guys think it will be safe to use? It's big enough to fit the four ball I wanna do and with the constent rolling of the water I thought it would be a great way to do this method. Thanks for your help.

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First off sorry for posting in a old thread. I just learned of this method and I want to do this to my balls. I have a question. I have access to a power soak wash tub here at my job. Do you guys think it will be safe to use? It's big enough to fit the four ball I wanna do and with the constent rolling of the water I thought it would be a great way to do this method. Thanks for your help.
I would guess the answer is NO! I assume the balls would roll in a contraption like that, and any uneven surfaces would probably destroy the covers.

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Re: Hot water bath

This might be a stupid question, but I just bought a mutant cell and nomad for 40 bucks each and I'm going to use this method to clean out the oil along with my other 2 balls in my arsenal (total bedlam and scout reactive)
When the oil is on the cover of the ball, should I clean it with microfiber towel or something to get the oil off the cover?
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