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Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

I was wondering what 1 could expect from a full roller layout as a medium tracker? Ive heard smooth but not 100% also how would a full roller layout work for a lher if it was say drilled for a rh? Im curious as I found 1 and was wondering if itd be worth it?
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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

Ive had a couple of rightys throw some lefty full roller stuff and like it, but they were anything but smooth for the most part, I have one guy that kept one full roller as a right with decend hand and he loves it for smoothness
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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

Ah so they are smooth when drilled toward your side of you will but when backwards they are pretty flippy? Also since switchin to lh i dont throw too fast but have decent turn and love smooth reacting balls and if it tames the cover a lil too well thats just a bonus!! Thank you trig for your imput bud as always greatly appreciated!!
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10 1/8 layout
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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

My buddy has a full roller layout on an Ebonite Total NV and he loves it. Calls it the "House shot killer layout". He is a high track cranker and it rolls super smooth for him, but over the thumb most of the time.
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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

Wello thats 1 way to tame a ball down get it jumpin over the thumb downlane LOL, thank you all for your input again i really appreciate it.
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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but full rollers release the ball differently than semi rollers, so even if you drill a ball full roller, you will not track full roller (between fingers and thumb).
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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

Full rollers track between the finger and thumb holes. You are probably creating a pin to pap distance > 6.75 inches, which would make it flare backwards. A semi roller would just be fighting against the natural tendencies of the core. Remember, you want the core of the ball to rev up into a strong roll before entering the pocket.

If you want a controlled hook, then use these generic Control Layouts.

High Track

85x4.5x45

Med Track

65x5x40

Low Track

50x5.25x65


Fine tune with a gradient line balance hole, or a surface change.
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Question Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

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Wello thats 1 way to tame a ball down get it jumpin over the thumb downlane
How much of an impact does rolling over the thumb hole have on ball reaction? I ask because I clip the thumb hole on my initial track on almost every ball I own.

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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

I dont know if for everyone but when I roll over a thumb hole my ball actually jumps sometimes other times you hear clunk and you can see the ball stop hookin and straighten out for a second.
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Question Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

Something else related to the topic...

Wouldn't a full roller layout react differently for a very high track player, such as myself, as a opposed to a spinner? If my PAP is 6>x1.5^, a full roller layout might not be much different. But if my PAP was 4.5> x 0 it would probably be wordls different.

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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

A full roller layout when used by a full roller has zero flare and tracks the full circumference of the ball. It gets into a roll immediately. If you want minimal to NO flare for YOUR release, there are better options.

Pin-Axis, which is Pin on PAP, will not flare at all gets into a roll almost immediately

1 3/4" Pin to Pap is the more modern way of doing something like Pin-Axis and it will flare a bit...which can be much nicer in on the back end. Maybe 45* x 1 3/4 x 60* in dual angle terminology. It will get into a roll quickly, but not immediately.

6" Pin to Pap with MB in your track will flare very little also, and (I'm guessing because of long Pin-PAP distance) get into a heavy roll much later.
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Re: Full roller layouts for your average bowler?

Thanks rev for the explanation and breakdown I was just curious cause as I had said I seen a ball drilled like that and got curious and figured if itd work well for me might as well have a go at it!!
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